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    Diggin some up...hang tight!
    " I just found out my nest egg has salmonella"



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    Everyone who cares about the oldest trophy in professional sport wants to know, whats next? Will the Cup stay in "Mean Old Frisco" or will Larry's team pull stakes and seek better offers.

    Here's what we have learned thus far.

    1) San Francisco had 90 days to make their pitch, and according to SF Port Spokeswoman Renee-Dunn Martin, "High level negotiations are going on right now between multiple parties," including SF Port Staff, The Mayors Office, The conglomeration which is Oracle Racing, ACEA, ACRM, which we shall just call Octopi San Fran, (Mr Ellison's Holding Corporation is Octopus Holdings LLC, so we will work with that) The Warriors, The Local Unions are believe to be involved.

    When asked what could or would be available facility wise in 2016-2017 Mrs Dunn-Martin indicated that "Nothings off the table". Which lead to more direct questions.

    What about Pier 27-29? "The phase 2 portion of construction on Pier 27 -29 begins in November. The piers should be fully operational for the cruise industry vendors by Fall 2014" The Piers worked well within the confines of this cycle of the America's Cup, but could they get pressed into service for the next cycle? "It's quite possible in some capacity, especially the North West Plaza. It's all being negotiated"

    Would not the Cruise Ships control the pier? Again, everything is up for negotiation and the possibility of the cruise ships using other piers for loading and unloading during the
    height of any Louis Vuitton or AC events is possible.

    Okay then, how about Piers 30-32? Won't the Warriors be playing basketball in their new
    stadium then? Again Mrs Dunn Martin was not committed to certainty with that project. apparently the proposed Warriors Arena is still under negotiation, and with all things San Francisco, due to lengthy delays in progress. It's still feasible the crumbling pier's could still be available for a temporary hosting position in 2016-2017.

    Pier 80? " The lease with "Octopi SF" ends at the end of the year. Octopi SF's Lease at Piers 23 and 19 terminate at end of this month and the remaining gear and offices will be transported to Pier 80 for short term. In case you did not know, the offices located on Piers 23 were all built in shipping containers, and can be relocated and redeployed easily.
    Pier 80 can host those offices and skeleton crew for short term without much pain.

    If Octopi SF opts to renew a lease on Pier 80, one would expect all their assets would stay there until other options open up.


    One option could be Alameda's Seaport Lagoon.

    According to sources close to the negotiation process between the City of Alameda,
    Artemis Racing, and sailing interests, planning and negotiation continues. The Waterfront Town Center proposed as the cornerstone of the redevelopment plans at Alameda Point






    See Draft Plans

    The city council is scheduled to finalize their vote on the projects approval next month. There is a massive amount of infrastructure work to be done earthwise with
    global warming/projected sea rise inundation concerns, drainage, earthquake and tsunami concerns. And while the city does not want to delay progress on the redevelopment process that has been nearly 2 decades in the making, there is a possibility of using the "Taxi Way" along the lagoons eastern edge as a host camp
    for syndicates, and putting some of the long term teams into some of the vacated buildings near the lagoon.

    Artemis Racing was 1st to occupy one of the available hangars from the city. While it
    had adequate space for the team, the facility is circa 1940's, complete with seismic concerns, standard issue asbestos and lead in abundance, the mitigation of these hazards will need to be dealt with before any long term leases. The space Artemis is currently occupying has been offered up for a longer term, more expensive lease. Artemis themselves are looking at other potential available buildings for the short term for their primary base, the old Nelson's being a serious contender.

    It leaves a lot to ponder.


    And What About Lanai?
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    • #3
      ...and in other cup related news...and this is rumor, and nothing but rumor, but it has
      come from several sources supposedly in the inner circle, but repeat at this point
      just a rumor:

      Sources say that Russell Coutts was unhappy that Tom Ehman and Iain Murray worked together
      to get Hamilton Island YC the position to be Challenger of Record.

      Supposedly, Mr. Ehman was relieved of his duties as a consequence, by Mr Coutts.

      Unclear if Iain Murray is effected in anyway however it is also unclear If Mr. Murray has connections
      with Challenger of Record (Hamilton Island YC) if that effects standings of being an impartial head committee
      member as part of the ACRM. It may well be that one stressful cycle of managing the America's Cup is more than enough!

      Again, it's an unconfirmed rumor...If it's incorrect, our apologies in advance...but it's come from various sources and tem seem consistent...
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      • #4
        Great reporting PB!

        How soon until you have more Cup Dirt to spill?

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        • #5
          Thanks for keeping us up to date!

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          • #6
            Looks like Alameda has plans for the Seaplane Lagoon, why would they want to delay that?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Buzz Light Beer View Post
              Looks like Alameda has plans for the Seaplane Lagoon, why would they want to delay that?
              Not sure they would, am told that things are still fluid at this point. One of the benefits of having teams based in Alameda is the large
              quotient of team families that move in. Artemis's families came in and set up on the island, you have extra revenue from housing, dining,
              schools, material purchases etc. Plus the schools get an influx of children from out of the country which really helps open the eyes of the
              other children attending. Artemis team members were able to commute by bicycle, its flat and not overly dangerous like other area in the Bay Area.

              So the economics, of just one more Cup cycle may offset a 3-4 year delay in the construction of the Seaplane Lagoon Town Center.




              Octopi SF might ats look at this property, just west of the RYC. It's rumored to have been on the market for some time.
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              • #8
                i'd like to see ALL teams in one spot and that plan above would help that. but for people like me and with pier 30-32 inaccessible it's hard to photograph anything from the west side of the bay. i still dont think 35th will be in SF; the experience with the jerks at the SF board of supervisors gives me the chills

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Photoboy View Post
                  Not sure they would, am told that things are still fluid at this point. One of the benefits of having teams based in Alameda is the large
                  quotient of team families that move in. Artemis's families came in and set up on the island, you have extra revenue from housing, dining,
                  schools, material purchases etc. Plus the schools get an influx of children from out of the country which really helps open the eyes of the
                  other children attending. Artemis team members were able to commute by bicycle, its flat and not overly dangerous like other area in the Bay Area.

                  So the economics, of just one more Cup cycle may offset a 3-4 year delay in the construction of the Seaplane Lagoon Town Center.




                  Octopi SF might ats look at this property, just west of the RYC. It's rumored to have been on the market for some time.





                  That's interesting. I thought the site belonged to Toll Brothers and they'd planned a poop-load of condo's for that site. Also rumored that they were going to close access to the tunnel for anyone beyond their development like RYC, Brickyard, existing condos and residents etc. Additional rumor was to create an ordinance to limit activities that might create traffic or noise after 9 PM or thereabouts. So much for regattas and parties with funhogs lingering after dark....

                  Hope it goes to someone with a little more tolerant views of pre-existing clubs, businesses, residents.

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                  • #10


                    Tom Butt has a few choice words about that!


                    ....might make it an easier acquisition?
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                    • #11
                      ^^^
                      That area is called Terminal 1, it is the oldest terminal facility in Richmond (1909). Toll Bro's bid on it several years ago and entered into a sale agreement with the city, but the project ultimately was terminated, and Toll Bros left town. Locals not happy w/design, plus some issues w/CEQA. By the time they got approved re-designs and finalized CEQA, market imploded and Toll Bros moved on. Property's been vacant for some time, but an RFP opened up in July 2012. So far 3 responses and the RFP period now closed. By terms of settlement agreement w/Toll Brothers on vacating their land disposition agreement, whoever gets the property and plans to build condos - must comply w/the design guidelines and form guidelines from the previous round. The property had been offered up on an interim basis to ACEA and various teams for the 34th AC cycle. I don't think it will be available for the 35th cycle, although there are other shorefront areas in Richmond which would be useful and attractive for use by whoever will be running the 35th AC gig. Plenty of room to consolidate all teams in one location, lots of housing - and at decent prices. Both Alameda and Richmond have their attractions and drawbacks. Alameda has a vibrant center and unique cultural flavor, but you have to deal w/the tube and then Bay Bridge to get to SF (unless ACEA put in ferry service....). Richmond has good access, commute, and pricing, but it's ... Richmond. Perhaps attitudes have and/or will change in ACEA/the Defender - but in the last cycle they took a dim view of 'soiling' themselves with any contact w/the East Bay - that could have been a function of labor agreements set up w/City of SF, and a keen desire to localize as much (taxable) revenue as possible only in SF so that the hosting no's would look good. With a general re-think of the event going on, perhaps they'll re-consider.

                      I should add:

                      None of the 3 proposals received for Terminal 1 are particularly compelling and the City is not obligated to accept any of them.

                      I got burned out working on this project the last time. A couple hundred hours, resources consumed, no pay - free marketing for the City. Someone else can pick up the mantle.

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                      • #12
                        You suppose the City of Richmond would be interested in a short term lease?

                        Housing in Richmond was a sticking point, at least in the area's that are safe...
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Photoboy View Post
                          You suppose the City of Richmond would be interested in a short term lease?

                          Housing in Richmond was a sticking point, at least in the area's that are safe...
                          Why was housing a sticking point? There were crate loads of it available and we offered to do full team bundles.

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                          • #14
                            If they truly want to bring sailing to the masses I've got the answer: Red Rock!

                            Make AC35 survivor style. Make all the teams stay on red rock for the duration of the regatta. Release some pigs, hide some supplies like hydraulic fluid or matches. Have challenges for things like duct tape or west systems. Last team able to go out and complete the course wins!
                            Pointing like a traffic cop, footin like a track star.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Donut Town View Post
                              Why was housing a sticking point? There were crate loads of it available and we offered to do full team bundles.
                              The teams have their families with them, and if they don't have to commute long distances, they can concentrate on the campaigns.
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