SF Sportboat Championship, Oct 19

[Aussie]

Results are here: www.jibeset.net/YRA000.php?RG=T016983421

[DeathSpear]

Trolling? Seriously man, you need to take a step back. Two years ago I was the guy pimping sportboats to the YRA and my YC, trying like hell to get the sportboat owners organized so we could get you guys your own starts. I received one response...from you. Do you know how many entries we received to our invite to the JF Series? Zero. We offered free storage, camping on the lawn, you name it. No one showed. Now Don has picked up the gauntlet because he...hell we all feel that there is a community that needs to be served. Now I ask you, in my trolling fashion, why it is that the biggest advocates for sportboats own lead mines? Granted, Don has a fast lead mine, but neither of us own sportboats. We're just the latest guys who have tried to organize a herd of largely invisible and very quiet cats. Why is that? Where is the guy that sells the sportboats in SF? Where are the owners? You make the point about a schedule conflict with the V 1-2. Fine, that wraps up you and Nelson. The last I checked, SSS wasn't synonymous with sportboats. So where are they? Look at the Great Pumpkin entry list for me. Where are the Vipers and 5.7s? You guys should have your own starts, but as far as I'm concerned, if these two attempts are less than stellar in terms of sportboat participation, I'd be in favor of the Sportboats establishing their own charter organization, then going to the YRA and/or organizing YCs to negotiate their starts. At some point in time, you guys need to take ownership of this, because it just IS NOT RIGHT that we have to do the work, then have you guys bitch about schedule conflicts. If you don't like it, stand up and lead the effort. We'd all be happy to support you.

And I'm still trying, and Don is helping (a lot), and its frustrating as shit. There is nothing that I would like more than to have 7 sportboats on the line. In the absence of that I'll go race whoever is out on the water (whether they like it or not).

Without the conflict I think we could have gotten the 2 FTs, the JS, Outsider and possibly the J90 with the new rig (they had been out of commission for a while). I would be happy with just those 5 boats on the line. But there are more and it could (should) be better.

[DeathSpear]

Nick, the sporties will keep winning pickle dishes if they maintain the status-quo. There's no incentive to get their own deal going, except for a couple boats that don't qualify for PHRF certificates. The Spear is the exception - he relishes real competition.

No sour grapes - just reality.


(Pickle dishes, relish, sour grapes? Interesting mix there...)

Are you feeling left out? Didn't mean to keep you out of the list. You can join us. I think all we are requiring is a sprit and asymmetricals. I think there might be a displacement range as well. But in either case come add to the fleet, I sure Jboats called the 92 a sportboat

If it was only for the pickle dishes you would see more sportboats showing up. Its an organization issue which has proven difficult to sort out.

[Nick Salvador]

Nick, the sporties will keep winning pickle dishes if they maintain the status-quo. There's no incentive to get their own deal going, except for a couple boats that don't qualify for PHRF certificates. The Spear is the exception - he relishes real competition.

No sour grapes - just reality.



(Pickle dishes, relish, sour grapes? Interesting mix there...)

Sounds like a food basket on Chopped. I completely understand what you're saying Bob. I really wish that we had a fleet of boats for Daniel...you know, the FT10s, our resident Hendo, the M32s, A27s, U24s, and his JS9k. Fastboats sailing similar angles would be a hell of a lot of fun IMHO. How do we get them hooked up?

[Nick Salvador]

Multis

We have a YRA board meeting in November. If you'd like the topic of supporting multis to be placed on the agenda on the agenda, just ask and we'll be happy to do it. The YRA is doing whatever it can to provide opportunities to race. That's why the focus on unserved, or under served communities like the small sporties. Don, Dan, and Steve Cameron (Brad is his brother btw) are trying to gain traction, but it's an uphill battle without the support of the various owners/fleets.

That's the point I've been trying to make for three years. We're trying to open the door, but someone needs to walk through it.

Cheers,

Nick

[3D]

Dan,
Thanks for the response.
-3D

Should have been Don, not Dan....sorry about that (Damn iPad!!!).

-3D

[3D]

So, if you know a sport boat skipper who want's to help organize sport boats, send them my way. I guarantee you the YRA will greet them with much enthusiasm.

Dan,
Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, I am a card carrying member of the multihull fraternity. I guess until we are more accepted, we will continue to be the "Bastard Step Children" of the Yacht Racing community.

Now, if YRA ever decides to embrace the multis the way they are with the sporties, I'll be the first to volunteer.

Cheers!!!

-3D

[Don Ahrens]

I suggest that they embrace these new factions (sportboats, multihulls, etc.) with open arms, rather than banishing them to their own charter organizations.
How about YRA forming Committees populated by members of these fleets. These Committees could then be charged with managing their fleet's schedules, ratings, Championship series,etc. This way, all racing activities could be coordinated and managed under the blanket of the YRA.

3D, that's exactly what the YRA has been trying to do with the sport boat community. There is a fledgling sport boat committee, folks I depend on for input including Dan Alvarez and Brad Cameron, and I'm constantly looking for more sport skippers to help us out and give us feedback. So, if you know a sport boat skipper who want's to help organize sport boats, send them my way. I guarantee you the YRA will greet them with much enthusiasm.

I'm deeply indebted to Dan and Brad as they have been incredibly helpful in starting the process of organizing sport boats.

[Don Ahrens]

Fabio, division splits have been posted for the Champion of Champion and Sport Boat Fall Championship.

https://www.jibeset.net/YRA000.php?RG=T016983421

[3D]

I'd be in favor of the Sportboats establishing their own charter organization, then going to the YRA and/or organizing YCs to negotiate their starts.

That would be no different than what the multihulls have to do now with BAMA.......just sayin' ;-)

There is no denying that the racing community on San Francisco Bay is continuing to diversify. As a result, if YRA wants to maintain it's overall relevance, then I suggest that they embrace these new factions (sportboats, multihulls, etc.) with open arms, rather than banishing them to their own charter organizations.
How about YRA forming Committees populated by members of these fleets. These Committees could then be charged with managing their fleet's schedules, ratings, Championship series,etc. This way, all racing activities could be coordinated and managed under the blanket of the YRA.

.....anyway, my $0.02

Cheers!!!

-3D

[BobJ]

Nick, the sporties will keep winning pickle dishes if they maintain the status-quo. There's no incentive to get their own deal going, except for a couple boats that don't qualify for PHRF certificates. The Spear is the exception - he relishes real competition.

No sour grapes - just reality.


(Pickle dishes, relish, sour grapes? Interesting mix there...)

[Prince of Whales]

Are we looking at a season long series with the top 6-10 boats being invited to an elimination series over one weekend?

If so, could I suggest 5-6 races of a shorter length to keep things interesting and more boats in it for longer?

[Don Ahrens]

You're right Buzz Light Beer. Nothing happens overnight and I'm fine with baby steps. Dan's right that the conflict with Vallejo 1-2 was unfortunate, but those things happen. I'll try to get sport boat race notices published with a lot more lead time going forward. I had hoped to publish the dates for the sport boat fall championship much earlier, but sorting through the issue of which rating rule to use took much longer than I had anticipated. I looked long and hard at both the Porstmouth rule and SMS and exchanged many emails with folks from both organizations before choosing Portsmouth. Again, that process just took longer than I thought it would, which delayed our announcing the fall championships dates and I apologize for that delay.

[Nick Salvador]

Trolling? Seriously man, you need to take a step back. Two years ago I was the guy pimping sportboats to the YRA and my YC, trying like hell to get the sportboat owners organized so we could get you guys your own starts. I received one response...from you. Do you know how many entries we received to our invite to the JF Series? Zero. We offered free storage, camping on the lawn, you name it. No one showed. Now Don has picked up the gauntlet because he...hell we all feel that there is a community that needs to be served. Now I ask you, in my trolling fashion, why it is that the biggest advocates for sportboats own lead mines? Granted, Don has a fast lead mine, but neither of us own sportboats. We're just the latest guys who have tried to organize a herd of largely invisible and very quiet cats. Why is that? Where is the guy that sells the sportboats in SF? Where are the owners? You make the point about a schedule conflict with the V 1-2. Fine, that wraps up you and Nelson. The last I checked, SSS wasn't synonymous with sportboats. So where are they? Look at the Great Pumpkin entry list for me. Where are the Vipers and 5.7s? You guys should have your own starts, but as far as I'm concerned, if these two attempts are less than stellar in terms of sportboat participation, I'd be in favor of the Sportboats establishing their own charter organization, then going to the YRA and/or organizing YCs to negotiate their starts. At some point in time, you guys need to take ownership of this, because it just IS NOT RIGHT that we have to do the work, then have you guys bitch about schedule conflicts. If you don't like it, stand up and lead the effort. We'd all be happy to support you.

[Buzz Light Beer]

Baby steps. Nothing great happens overnight.